Friday, 29 June 2012

The replies from CHC members

After 2 days of waiting, my CHC friends in my Facebook friend list (secondary school friends, actually) shared 2 links on their feeds.

Truth is, no one knew the whole truth except those who are involved and God hence we need law to handle it. God placed those people in authority to handle these matter. I am just not too concerned about the verdict as either way God will glorify himself. Just worried about those young seedlings of faith who may not understand this whole chaotic situation surrounding the church.

CHC members replies and further updates:
City Harvest Investigation
City Harvest My Church
‘Proud’ CHC blogger wrote: What’s wrong with my Church using its own funds?
City Harvest Church Stereotypes… And Then I Saw What You Named Your Kid
Wait.

I am waiting for some hate mail from former CHC member. However, I saw a lot of comments from former CHC members! Is that how they grew so fast and rich?! I guess it just takes more than one standpoint to view this whole thing. You can just say I am kaypo-ing about this but as a Christian, I definitely need to know and be able to defend my faith if anyone uses it to attack me spiritually, or for whatever purpose.

I came across this comment from the second webbie which I find it rather interesting because it literally sums up whatever I want to say (I'm not a good writer,eh?  :P )


Jon
This has certainly turned into a storm of controversy hasn’t it. Allow me to add my two cents worth.
As a Christian for many years, it is absolutely normal for me to tithe(donate WILLINGLY) regularly without a single question of where the money goes to or how it will be used. And I’m glad to see how generous the CHC congregation is when it comes to the furthering of His kingdom. Even though I may not agree with some of the outcome of some projects(Sun’s latest music video China Wine which is certainly very questionable), by all means, it is in my belief that the money is in the hands of those entrusted by God and it’s use is for His glory.
1. However, I belief that even though the church belongs to God, it does not mean that the church is not subject to the law of the land. It is said in Mark 12:17, give unto Caesar, that which is Caesar’s. As Christians, we must still submit to the laws of the land. And if the authorities belief that there was wrongdoing in the eyes of the constitutional law of Singapore, it is our duty to cooperate with them and to let them do their duty without hindrance or oppression(yes, from Christians).
2. WHAT IF HE IS PROVEN GUILTY? Well, so what if he is guilty? He is but a man. Like each and every one of us. We as Christians make the mistake of mistaking God’s man as God by giving them more glory then they deserve, whether we realise it or not. Who of us has not fallen. I have had the chance to meet Ps Kong Hee and have a cup of coffee with him on a few occasions and I find him to be a man of God with great passion and wisdom. However, at the end of a day, he is but a man like anyone of us and subject to failure. This goes for Sun and the other members of the church staff that are currently under investigation. My main point here is that we have all sinned and fallen short because we are simply man trying our best to live Godly(Godlike) lives. It is God’s grace that has saved us and it is this very same grace that saves us. However, this does not mean that we do not acknowledge the sin and that disciplinary actions must be taken.
3. WHAT IF HE IS INNOCENT? By all means, all glory be given to God! However, we must look back on this incident which has cast a negative cloud over God and his people and by all means take preventive actions to prevent this from happening again.
In short, these are a few things that I believe we(everyone) should be doing now.
1. Stop coming to conclusions or making bold standing statements. Until the matter comes to a resolution, we should avoid letting emotions get the better of us.
2. Pray hard for those in custody. This matter needs to be resolved as soon as possible.
3. Pray hard for the church. It is at a time like this that the church as a whole needs to be united.
4. Pray for the authorities. They need clarity of mind at this time. Public views must not affect them and they must come to a conclusion soon, guilty or not.
5. Pray for ourselves. we should not react hastily to the accusations by others(Christians and non). Love and compassion should be shown to all. It really isn’t a case of us against them.
I really hope that this situation ends well.
With Love.
Jon
Oh, so sorry, I forgot about two points I wrote down earlier. These are more theological in nature.
1. There is the issue of CHC members believing that even though the monies being questioned now were used to channel Sun’s project, they are still fine with it because they are happy to invest in a church icon. Do mind, your intent was to give money to furthering God’s kingdom. I highly doubt that the outcome of those monies gave much glory to God. For example, the videos and the songs. Some of them were very questionable.
2. At the end of the day, why is everyone making such a fuss over a man? Our God is still, as always has been, a great and good. God.
Anyway, I have this book which is the recommended book by one of my church elders. It is called "One Hundred Bible Lessons" by Alban Douglas. In the chapter of "Abstinence, not Temperance",  there are a couple of bible verses quoted for absolute obedience to God in whatever we do.

1 Corinthians 6:19

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19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

Isaiah 55:2

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Why spend money on what is not bread,
    and your labor on what does not satisfy? 
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good, 
    and you will delight in the richest of fare.


There is an example for us to follow as Christian. It is in Daniel 1:8-20, which shows us that Daniel would rather eat be vegetarian than eat the king's portion and drink the king's wine so as not to defile himself. It is totally opposite to what the Kong family is doing now.

Of course, in the chapter "Consecration", it quoted that we should not offer ourselves according to worldly standards.

Romans 12:2

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Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is —his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I won't acknowledge that singing some worldly songs, living in expensive condo and Hollywood is for the heavenly rewards. Hence my previous post about their behavior as ambassadors of Christ is still questionable. Members of CHC, you may defend all you want but it clearly is not biblical. That is what most comments in "City Harvest, My Church" have been telling you.

Btw, the pastors will still be preaching on Sundays at CHC, which I'm not sure why. I believe it'll be tiring for the pastors to go through this mayhem and still prepare for Sunday sermon. Not only that, it would be quite unwise to make others think that they are going to talk about it or explain during sermon, right? Oh well, it may draw people to the congregation to hear what they have to say.

I guess all we can do now is pray for the above, and hope that it will be over soon.

Thursday, 28 June 2012

Finally, graduation preparation is on.

I had just received a letter from UniSIM about the completion of my bachelor programme. They have asked to confirm my name to be placed in the certificate. In my mind, I was thinking, "Finally, I am done with bachelor, and I am still pondering about my choice to be a teacher. Does God want me to be a teacher? What else can I do?"

For a weak person like me, I often seek God's advise. As a matter of fact, I do not quite have the confidence to decide for myself. Even though it is something I would like to do, I realised that I am not brave enough to be one. It comes with huge responsibilities and effort. Can I really do it?

I have a couple of months to think about it before going for the application. Of course, I would want to get it done before my birthday so that I can announce to my students and their parents that I will be going into the teaching career or something else.

Maybe I should consult all the teachers and teachers-to-be in my church. I think there almost or more than ten of them. May God guide my path to what He wants me to be.

Wednesday, 27 June 2012

CHC's crisis

In my Facebook, it's all flooded with all the news about CHC, Kong Hee and Sun Ho. This post is not to add any fuel into the fire. Just my simple thoughts about this whole mayhem.

Actually, I do not agree with Sun Ho's singing career as a pastor's wife. I do not understand why she must join the industry, wear those skimpy clothes and portray as someone who is not a godly person? What is her purpose for doing all these? I disagree it as an evangelism program. You don't have to do so many things to reach out to the lost. no offense, but it seems to me that they are just giving into their temptations to the world while disguising it as a godly plan.

I am just at loss with every news and hate comments. Although it's comforting that the church is still quite as one (with encouraging messages posting on Kong Hee's wall), I worry for those who got despair about the so-called relationship with God is about.

Man fails all the time. I just wonder if all pastors think that way about themselves everyday. I think this couple should act discreetly, just as godly people should do; probably revise on how to change their outreach programs, if they are not found guilty.

Either way, should any of the leaders get caught for embezzling the money, it just shows that GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING. If they are not found guilty, I think it's a good lesson for this family to do what they should do as a pastoral family. Either way, I pray that God's will be done, and all to His glory.

related links:
City Harvest Church founder Kong Hee, 4 others charged
Church sent funds to US 'to finance Ho's career'
How did the alleged misconduct at CHC takes place?

Friday, 22 June 2012

Grace, something I received undeservingly.

Yesterday was the results day for me. I actually remembered the wrong day, thinking 21st June 2012 was Friday. Anyway, it does not matter because no matter how late they were, it is still good news to me!

I had spent two years trying to clear this module. My first three semesters were based on borderline quizzes and it did not help much when it comes to trying to even pass with my assignments. I was stuck, torn between my commitment to my students vs my academic results. Although sometimes students did well, the bad results did not make me feel any better. Even at one time I tried to focus on the assignments, I was stuck and know not what to do. I ended up losing precious time to work on the assignment.

My greatest relief came when I was asked to retake everything about the module. I retook the basic PMIT (Project Management Information Technology), PMIT and MMPIT (Managing Multiple Project Information Techonology). I wasn't sure why, but this time I had this resolution to do well, with God as part of it. I think it was because I kept God out until I needed help at the last minute, treating Him as my last resort. I was convicted that it was wrong, and this time round, I should do something different.

I was so glad when my tutor loudly proclaimed that he is a christian and had worked in churches managing IT projects for them full-time. Never had I feel so glad to have him as my tutor! Although he lives in the states, there was once he came to Singapore but I never went to see him. His teaching method did help me to understand this module a lot better.

Anyway, I supposed the revised teaching method and the simplified questions helped me so much and it is something I was not in control of. All I did was pray, attend leasons, and did my best, and I have to leave out my good friends and sister- and brother-in-Christ's proposal event to work on assignment. Two weeks is not long to work on the questions posed. I did not do my weekly homework like I was supposed to. However, God did reminded me of what I know and how I can work to get the desired answer. I know the frequent ideas popping out of my head to help me does not come from me, but from God. As you can see by how I messed up the date of my result, you will know that I am not that clear with what I have and what I do not have to help me in my assignment.

Now I am just wondering if I am those people who will get the certificate from IIL (International Institute of Learning) for getting more than 70 in my overall grade. B is not a clear idea of where I stand. If it is a C I will know I will not get it. Oh well, it is all to my Almighty God, for He controls everything and plans for everything and everyone. Imagine, if I were to pass with my borderline quizzes, my result will not be this fantastic, and I would not even get a B even if I do try hard with the chim questions posed for three semesters.

Looking back, I stood in awe for this verse that I had put up as the verse of one of the months: "For I know the plans I have for you, " says the LORD. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope." -Jeremiah 29:11

Tuesday, 19 June 2012

My First Church Camp - the process

I am thankful and grateful for the wonderful church camp I had attended. I managed to meet a lot of Galileans that I did not come across in church. Although it was a quiet camp for the YAs (due to the fact that most of them did not go). I spent most of my time there fellowshipping, serving in children's program ad resting. Of course, I come back with my body, mind and soul refreshed. I am convicted not to teach on Sundays anymore, blog intentionally and explore ways to extend God's wonderful kingdom.

Before I come to the aftermath, I shall talk about what actually happened there.

Monday
Our plane was in late noon hence I literally loitered at the budget terminal watching Naruto. You can imagine having to go to church camp alone while most people come with their families. It was hard to swallow the fact but I still managed to pretend that it does not matter while Gwyn and Jun were having their 'parting conversation'. It was hard to not think of myself as street lamp. :P

By the time we reached Kuching, Sarawak, it was already dark. We were just in time for dinner, and had to check in after that. Thank God for a little buffer time for us to go to the room before the opening camp session. We learnt our camp theme song, fellowship a little with a short message before going to bed.

Tuesday
We woke up really early for devotions at 6.45am. We did not have a good rest because we trying to adjust the soft pillows Hilton Kuching provided for us. It was 3am when we finally slept. We then had breakfast near the ballroom.

Children's program was great! Most of the children were enjoying their time there and they preferred the role playing as privates (military: spiritual armour according to Ephesians 6:13-17). We had them to make the belt of truth and the breastplate of righteousness.

It was such an enjoyable time witnessing cute reactions from kids ranging from age 4 - 10. :) After the children's program, most people left for tours to orang utan, river rides and such. Gwyn and I just stayed at the hotel with David. I lent my phone to him to chat with Shirlyn (I am not as blessed as them to have a courtship or fiance). I just stayed in my room taking a nap. I have never felt so tired for such a long time. I felt like a zombie even after taking about two hours of nap. I think that little sleep at night was the cause of it.

We watched "Courageous" and I was still touched by the movie even though I had watched it twice. I managed to catch the first part of the show that was missed. It reminded me of what I said last year about getting one for my dad. It still touched my heart and made me cry. It was definitely a great, powerful movie to watch.

Wednesday
We skipped devotions because of preparation for Wednesday's children program on the night before. Things went as usual as we prepare for that n iight's campfire for the children. Nothing much happened, just that I was kind of exposed to worship on my own again. I am so not good at it. It frustrates me at times. We had some games and did the shoes of gospel and the shields of faith with the children. They really enjoyed their time decorating their armour.

The camp fire went out great (it was after dinner) and we had some games, something similar to the Sunday School Camp. We were quite glad that everything was over as it was rather hot in the open area. Nonetheless we had a great time and were amazed by the wonderful artificial camp fire that Deacon Chung and his family had prepared for us. The finale was to have all the kids to sing round the camp fire singing 'The Gospel Train'. Some adults joined us and we closed the camp fire with a cake.

Thursday
We missed our devotions again. We had so many papers to cut for the helmets of salvation but we eventually gave up and went to sleep. The swords of the spirit were ready hence nothing much was to be done on them.

Had breakfast and children's program as usual. We fast forward many things and allowed them to rehearse on the presentation on Friday. After that, we happily left everything in the conference room and went for some rest in the room before lunch. I realized that my scissors lost its cover and decided to go back for it after dinner. We went to the nearby shophouses for some last minute shopping after some rest.

The real saga began when we wanted to go to the conference room to retrieve my scissors' cover. To our horror, everything was cleared, everything was nowhere to be seen, and the tables and chairs were rearranged. We interrogated an innocent wifi-tester but to no avail. In our desperate need to resolve whatever ASAP, we went to the front desk and demanded that the person who manages the conference room to talk to us.

The rest of the team went to the conference room again with camp master and see what could be done. They said that there was another conference going on that evening when we had booked the room until Friday noon. It left us questioning them if they were earning double amount for that conference room.

To add to the problem, the mandarin worship room was rearranged too. We found the armours in a trash bag along with other things. Worse thing is, THEY FOLDED THE VANGUARD SHEETS (breastplate of righteousness) AND STUFFED THEM INTO THE TRASH BAG WITH RUBBISH. Besides that, the bibles that the mandarin congregations left were put to one side with their scarves and some notes.

After much prompting on how to save the armours, we went for dinner and left them to try to save the day by 9pm so that we can inspect the armours. They had to iron the breastplate of righteousness and other creased armour parts. Some things were thrown away and the poor hotel staffs had to go to the nearby shopping centre to buy them for us at their own expense. We came to understand that one staff cleared it and was later reported of having no remorse about the incident that had happened. Thankfully, most of the armours were salvageable and I found my scissors cover. I'm not sure about what the camp committee would do. Either way it was quite an eventful night for us.

I am feeling bad for telling Fiona about me not feeling any better after she tried to console me. That's so straightforward of me! I should take better control of my feelings in future. I pray that she won't take it to heart. {T.T}

Friday
It was a wonderful day. I missed my devotion because I overslept. Not sure if Gwyn went though. Anyway, we went to have breakfast and then rehearsed with the children before the dedication and camp closing. The presentation from the kids were great - they were not crying or having stage fright and they did a wonderful job with their armours! Praise God for such wonderful kids singing for Him!

Our noon was in a rush as we packed our stuff after lunch. We managed to have some coffee while waiting for the coach and the hotel prepared some macarons and cookies for us. Eh, I gave them all to my brother who enjoyed it very much. Everything went smoothly and I'm grateful to God for journey mercies and an enjoyable stay, despite having no wifi at all.

Saturday, 9 June 2012

A Great Order-In Picnic @ POLW Sentosa

Today I went to Sentosa with my family, after cancelling one student. I am ok with the cancellation, and have been wanting to explore this place with thoughts of bringing my students there to play after their SA2 ends.

Anyway, POLW refers to Port Of Lost World. It is a small place with a huge water playground for the kids. There are about three water slides, one red that is uncovered, one blue half-covered and one fully covered green slide. Any kids below the age of 7 must be accompanied by an adult, while the rest can just have their fun without parental supervision. Also,they have a foaming tub for the kids to play foam, though I must admit,  their foam comes with a weird smell. It was gone once they were out of the tub.

They also have this game area where my brother threw beach balls with a group of children using a round 'mat'. They will try to keep the ball above the mat and prevent it from falling out of the mat. The coordinator will set a number while the children try to reach the target set for throwing the ball by lifting the mat. Interesting. There is a sand area there so be sure to bring your sand sculpting tools for sandcastle building, minus the waves.

The shower system is awesome! With the adjustable heat you don't have to worry if the water is too cold. They also have an interesting door system for the parents to supervise the kids while they bathe themselves.

Of course, there is a place for parents to relax. There are mattresses beside the playground and food will be delivered to you after you have placed an order at the counter. Most of them are shaded so it is really time for parents to relax while children just play to the max. The food is also quite affordable. Thin-crust pizza cost about $20, nasi briani cost about $9, and together with fries, chicken wings and a salad will cost you about $50. There is a reason why the 'quite' is beside the 'affordable'. d:|

The admission for adults is FREE. Children's price is as stated in their website. Parents can play with the kids. My dad went through the slides with my brother, who was so scared that he did not seem to enjoy himself. There wasn't any port pass or curio coins. I think it is just something else for the birthday parties held there or for their members to collect their rewards.

Just wonder in the map is a shop of sovenirs, Port Belly is their eating area while Nauti Potty is the bathing room and washroom. The water was super cold due to the cold atmosphere. I am glad I made it through the three hours while playing with my brother, cousin and nephew.

Do note that after this all kids and parents who participated with them will be exhausted. I had a four hour nap after reaching home. My brother slept through the journey home.

Thursday, 7 June 2012

Somehow, it kept me alive

Soon, I will be off for church camp. I am super excited because I will be serving in the camp, as well as dwell with my spiritual family.

Of course, this year's children program is really interesting: military style. I was asked to think of a game to replace the original program and thankfully, with God's grace and wisdom He helped me with some ideas.

Although I am having insomnia now (as I am getting pretty excited about the whole thing), I am somewhat getting my flame for Christ warm up a bit. I suppose that has something to do with reading 'The Lost Art of Disciple Making', feeling encouraged by the updates we have gotten from our mission trip at Mae Sariang and serving and dwelling with my spiritual family.

My spiritual life has been like a heart rate, going up and down as how it is supposed to be. I thank God that everything is alright, and that He has kept me in safe boundaries. I certainly pray that I do not go below believing Christ, and my life is to shine for Christ.

For the updates from Mae Sariang, Jack told Gwyn that most of the disciples involved are undergoing discipleship. One of them is so determined that he decided to go for theology study. Praise God! Our work was so small and short, but I truly praise God for working into their lives, convicting them of His purpose.

I am still a bud. However, with grace, I shall become a flower that bear fruit, glorifying God. I do not seek to change overnight, but I would like to see growth and reflect each year on what has been done and what else to improve. It is certainly an ongoing process, but overcomer will experiences it all.

Monday, 4 June 2012

A new bike, maybe?

I have been exploring the options of cutting down my costs. Not that I earn very little or I am overspending, I would just like to minimise my expenditure while maximising my body workouts. Hence, I have been playing wih the idea of cycling to my students' place.

However, there are restrictions, like travelling with bike between 9am and 4pm, 8pm and after and weekends whole day. The best part, all my students house are assessible by bike, especially the Seng Kang and Punggol students. I have even checked the routes on a daily basis, and they seem accessible to me. On an average, I may spend less than $50 on my transportation and be able to exercise 5days per week, with an average of 3-4hours of exercise daily. I may concuss on the first month with body aches all over, and I hope I am not over-confident about my love for cycling.

Therefore, in events like extreme fatigue, I would choose foldable mountain bikes over the 'traditional' ones for bus and train access. I marvel at the wonderful routes that google maps provided (using the walking option). Everywhere looked so accessible with the  thoughts of finally getting away from the clutches of bus and mrt schedules and out of the way routes.

With the 'turnover' to be around 20 months, I think it would be a good investment.

updated:
I have spent few days collecting info on the bikes. So far I have understood Montague, Brompton, Dahon, Bike Friday and Tern. I have kind of shortlisted two shops, Diginexx and My Bike Shop for test-riding and visitation. Hopefully by July I will have my bike and start my own exercise regime. I may not want to spend $1k on a bike. Hopefully I may get a bike below $500 with folding capabilities, light-weight, good travelling comfort on uneven ground and some rack to put some stuff (just in case I need it). No doubt I would love to really travel round Singapore alone just to have some exercise and exploration.

June will be the time I spend lot of money on iPhone. My 3GS is showing signs of aging. Sometimes I wonder if I have focused too much on life. I suppose it does not hurt that much trying to pay a litte to save more. Besides, I have decided to change my number (or maybe I should not until I have decided to stop teaching) and mobile plan so that I do not need to pay that much. $20/month×24months=$$480 for a 2year contract saving! Alright, I am being calculative. Good night, peeps.

Friday, 1 June 2012

She has no idea how much she hurt us and herself.

My heart is heavy. My mind wanders every now and then to her. Or rather, to everyone involved, including me.

This thing has been on for about a year now. However, it traced way back to two years ago, when I first joined the church. Obviously, I wasn't involved initially. As things started to progress, I can't help but get involved in it, since we were close at that time.

My first encounter with Aixin was a pleasant one. It all started with "Rio", the movie. We went to watch it after church service at Tiong Bahru opened a new chapter of our friendship. In many ways she is similar to me: she was teased, possibly bullied, in one way or another. Oh well, I've been bullied or tugged around like some pest for most of my life. Should I just say my friendship with others was superficial and was always considered low-rated to my friends. Unfortunately, I wasn't as fortunate as her. She still have friends who care for her since young. For me, I've decided to give them up because it had been miserable being with friends who backstabbed me at work, find me only when they need me, and had been bad-influence to me. Unfortunately for her friends, she did not seem to cherish; or rather, her actions don't indicate that she does. What hurts most is her comments in her Facebook which is free for all to see:


AX
May 27 via mobile
Not I don't cherish our friendship but i have feel that we been friends since childhood, friends around us did bother to show their care and approach to
find out what happens between us, you say u cares but i have waited for you to come find me though i say will find you but so long i never find you, you don't even have the initiative to look for me, you have looks for me because you are just concerns about things relates to your wedding , if not, i feel you don't even cares

    • David: Dun just put yourself in the good light and tell only your side of the story... you see her and pretend not to see her and talk... dun see her, cannot ask me or call her... no effort on your part and you expect other people to cater to you... the fact that you make things public confirms that you do not value the friendship at all

    • AX: I am not putting myself in good light , i never pretend i never see her , i just upset from the start that you all nv treat me as friend while i do, you yourself knows best

    • AX: I feels you all only trying to defends yourself despite you all knows what goin on but pretends you all don't know

    • David: I will not argue with you anymore... you know the facts for yourself on Sunday... just do not always think that you are the good person and everyone else is bad... we will not approach you but keep on waiting for you to make the first move to talk to us... the ball is now in your court... no need for us to defend ourselves.... your actions will help other people to see who you really are! THE END

    • David: You just proved my point... you want to pour out your feelings, approach us to do so and not on public space... do continue to treat other people as your enemies and calling them names.... may God judge you!

    • David: For the benefit of all people reading this post, we have really tried to keep quiet despite all these bombardments.... we have been keeping quiet to let God work all things out
    • AX: to say it nice is keeping quiet but the fact is u all do not bother

    • AX: stop the pretence & act this way as if i have blaspame against you all

    • AX: ‎& the fact you have just accused me of saying i been calling names which i never

    • AX:i have been keeping quiet all this while for 1 whole year

    • AX: For those who do not know the story, things have became so bad shape is because tolerance is limited

    • AX: things that have triggered till so bad is bcos 1st. i feel used

    • AX: ‎2. never felt i was treated as a friend before

    • AX: 3. i was a easy goin and forgetful person but i am a person with feeling

    • AX: ‎4. all the ppl in church knows about what is going on btw both of you eg. the engagement , i m upset not bcos i was not called but is the hurt as you all have called everyone but friends for so many yrs was left out

    • AX: ‎5. i have wrote my feeling cause i hurts alot but instead making things at peace.. David you have been condemning me

    • AX: ‎6. i have said where your testimony is bcos if you all have treated me as friendz if there is misunderstand anything that is so bad in shape you all will bother to find out more but you all never but keep condemning to the extend GOD judge me

    • AX: GOD know how hurts i have hurts by both of you

    • AX: lastly i have cherished this friendship so much that hope thing will turn out beta but the attitude of hack care made me feel you all don't want the friendship and y should i bother

    • AX: i mean David you have say GOD will judge me in (pt 6)

    • AX: Addin top of pt 4, there is alot more things that triggers



We have been praying for her. The reason why we don't want Shirlyn to approach her because she was the one who started the comments and she should clear it. Shirlyn should not approach her because she was not the one who starts the incident and hence should not be the one initiating the reconciliation. Even if she did approach her, so what? She doesn't even bother to reply a single message to her who wishes to reconcile with her.

It hurts most when I hear the pleas from David and Shirlyn. They were so frustrated until they really want to cry - not because she doesn't want to listen but because they couldn't help her. How did she get all these thoughts into her head? Her encounter keeps reminding the darkness I was trapped into. That decade of darkness overwhelms me. There are times I hear myself crying to God saying, "please LORD, don't let her go there. It's painful to even think back about it, much less go through it."

It is cruel to think this way, but if she continues posting such comments, I agree that David should give it to church authority to handle it, which is based on Matthew 18: 15-17. It's too much for us to handle. We love her as sister-in-Christ. I do, so much as to cry for her. Right now, Shirlyn and David has been guarding their hearts from anything from her, who is too consumed in her pain. Please pray for her, whoever-is-reading-this.


Matthew 18:15-17
New International Version (NIV)
Dealing With Sin in the Church15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.  
16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c]  
17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.